Bro. John:

I remember when I first started seeking the holy Ghost and reading my bible, a verse in Genesis 26 jumped out at me: “And God said, Let usmake man in our image, after our likeness: . . . .” I gave you a call that night and asked you to help me understand who the “our” meant. I had always thought, as many still do today, that God alone was in heaven (except for the other heavenly creatures) and that Jesus did not come until his birth through Mary. It was that verse that caused my heart to realize that God was not there alone, but sharing His heart with someone very dear to him – His Son!

Chapter 6, Section 1 is so full of sweet feelings, the knowledge and understanding of God that can only be revealed by Him to us. It is truly amazing to take into our hearts what He has shown us thus far.

I love the explanation you wrote here.

They did not understand that when Mary’s son and God’s Son became one, that one new man shared everything that made up the two, so that it can truthfully be said that the Son of God came from Nazareth and that Jesus came from heaven. Paul was not wrong to say that God’s Son was “born of a woman, born under the law” (Gal. 4:4), and the author of Hebrews was not wrong to say that when the Son came from heaven, a man’s body was already prepared for him (Heb. 10:5, quoting Psalm 40)”

I had to read it several times to grasp the fullness of it, but what a revelation. It is us! An old past and a new past in one. We live in these earthly temples created for us by God, but the new man is in the holy Ghost, and if we are led by His Spirit, we will dwell with the Father and the Son one day. What you wrote helps me to understand more fully what Jesus told me about my earthly parents: “You are not a product of that union anymore.” I am the biological daughter of Fred and Marguerite from New Bern, NC, but oh, how sweet, that I am the daughter of my Father in heaven. His traits live in me now – a child of the King!

We are truly blessed to be receiving such sweet manna from heaven. I want these holy thoughts to settle deep within my heart and soul so as Solomon said about the law:

When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.”

The love of the world pales to the love that is in the heart of God. Whew!

Sandy 🙂

Pastor John,

The feelings and thoughts that have been coming since reading these chapters in the Father and Son book!!! I was driving home today listening to the Father and the Son music cd. There’s a part in the first song about the Son being revealed through the passing of time! All these thoughts and feelings just started flooding me, on the inside. I don’t even have words for all I was feeling 🙂 It was like looking behind a curtain, and you could understand what you saw there, but when the curtain was closed you are left with just bits and pieces!! I started praying, “Please, Lord, I want to know!”

Then the Spirit said, “I am still hidden to some.”

John, the feelings of – do I really know how big this is, to know the things? We do know! Or to hear the Spirit speak to us! To have the Son revile himself to us!! IT’S BIG!! It’s like looking behind that curtain. We know him when we see him, but when he shuts the curtain, we just see bits and pieces. I can’t get it all out!!!

Love you guys and hope you are getting a lot done.

Jammie

PS. I did have a question the other night when reading chapter 6. I have never thought this before and even thought why have I never asked this. Anyway, how come we never hear anything about Mary’s husband, Joseph? It’s always about Mary. Did he die young? I will look this up, but just struck me the other night.

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Hi Jammie.

Yes, it is wonderful to have fellowship with the Father and the Son! It is very humbling and sweet. I am so happy you are being blessed by the knowledge God has given to us, and to all who will believe.

As for Joseph, there is nothing for you to look up. He just disappears from the biblical record. Let’s hold on to the love and righteousness of God so that we can get to meet Joseph one day and ask him what happened!

Pastor John

Hey there – I remembered when we first went over the part about bowing there was something very good in it. So, I went back and looked at some older files and one thing I ran across was the part that Satan “asked” Jesus to do it. Here is the section I found. I believe there was another time we typed up some notes on this subject that were very good, but I haven’t found those. I just remember really liking that section. I just wanted to forward it on to you just in case you saw something here you would like to include. I don’t remember the “asking” part in the “bowing down” section quite the way it is stated here. It may not be needed, but it was good. 🙂

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If it is true that before he came to earth, the Son did not know that Satan was evil, he most certainly found it out during the Temptation, for when Satan attempted to persuade him to bow down and worship him by offering the Son great riches, the Son would have known such a request came from a wicked heart.

But it wasn’t simply the bowing down part that would have made it clear that Satan was wicked. Throughout biblical history, righteous men had responded to visitations from heavenly beings by fearfully bowing down, even collapsing before them (Gen. 19:1; Num. 22:31; 1Chron. 21:16; Ezek. 1:28; Dan. 10:7-10). So, the mere concept of a man falling down in a worshipful attitude before a powerful heavenly being would not have seemed out of order. Even as late as the book of Revelation (19:10), the apostle John, overwhelmed by a heavenly messenger’s presence, fell down at the feet of the messenger to worship him!

The critical difference between Satan and every other heavenly messenger before whom men fell is that none of those other messengers asked men to bow and worship them, nor did any of them ever attempt to persuade men to worship them with promises of great riches. It was simply the power of the presence of God’s messengers that caused holy men to bow. Satan, on the other hand, coveting the honor that all creatures gave to God, openly grasped after it. That evil deed, if nothing else, would have let the Son of God know that he was dealing with a wicked creature.

At the same time, we can assuredly say that if Mary’s son had shown up in the wilderness without God’s Son dwelling within his temple, he would have been overwhelmed by the terrifying, “anointed cherub” from heaven; but not so, the Son. The Son has never bowed to anyone but the Father, and never will.

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Amy B

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Hi Amy.

There is some truth in all that, but I wrote those paragraphs before I understood that Jesus bowing to Satan would have only been a formality, a symbolic acceptance of the position Satan was offering him. It is not surprising, then, that Satan asked him to bow. It was a way of saying, “Do you accept my offer?” Anyone at that time in history would probably have expected it and would have been shocked, as Satan no doubt was, that there was no bow, that is, no acceptance of the “honor” offered to Jesus.

Those old paragraphs that you found fall short of communicating what was really going on between Jesus and Satan at that moment. That’s why I cut them out.

Thanks for the comments, though. We are on a journey, aren’t we?

jdc

Pastor John,

Judy and I read the first part of Chapter Six, last night. The reading is becoming easier to read, or maybe it’s my understanding of what is being written.

One of my favorite parts is when you are explaining the articles, “a” and “the”, such as with the Centurion, when you are describing a son as compared to the Son, and how it has been mistranslated on purpose to support a false doctrine like the Trinity doctrine (watched the Trinity study you did from TN on youtube; exciting because I understood what you were talking about).

While we were reading how parents were sacrificing their sons with fire to Baal on page 8, using the Jeremiah 19. I had a thought, “It is still being done today”. I asked myself, “how”. I felt in my heart say, “By a baptism other than Jesus’ baptism.”

Catholicism requires one to be baptized into their doctrine of form and bondage. I feel it’s no different than sacrificing a son to Baal. And, when Henry the 8th broke away from Catholicism and started the church of England (to fulfill his lust), one must be baptized into the church of England, to show his allegiance. From there, great massacres started by one side killing the other side to prove their side was the right side. In this modern age, it’s illegal to kill as they did back then, so now the great whore’s daughters (Protestant denominations) started to arise everywhere throughout the world, and most if not all required a baptism in water (a sacrifice to a modern day Baal), especially when their children reached the age at which their doctrine required it.

I wonder how Jesus feels, and especially his Father who gave Him, every time a baptism is done that is not His, or any other means of worship that is not sanctified by the Spirit; I know it hurts us seeing or watching it on TV.

We are so blessed to be given the task of getting truth such as this book for God’s people on the Father and the Son. If just one of God’s children can understand what God has given you and puts it into practice, then it’s one less sacrifice to Baal or one of the other demons.

We really appreciate you sending this out. When we’re reading things like this, it feels as though we are with you at the beach.

Billy M.

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Hey John,

We enjoyed reading the chapter six section of the Father and Son book this evening. Your Rebekah will be armed with some questions for you over the weekend, things we talked about but did not know the answer to. We got together with Amy F., Tom and Suzi, Rebekah and Ellen, and LeeAnn and Ben, and enjoyed our time reading.

A couple things I wondered about after reading about the section on the willing sacrifice…. When a person had to offer their animal they were required to lay their hands on the animal’s head prior to killing them (I’m assuming for transference of sin, etc.). I was wondering when the Father did that to Jesus, and how. Was it before Jesus was killed, or sometime afterwards but before he offered himself to the Father.

There were a lot of good thoughts in this section… it really sends the wheels to turning.

Another question was this: before creation, Jesus was in a body, correct? And when he was glorified after his resurrection, was his glorified body a NEW body, or the same body he had before? And if a new body, what happened to the first body he posessed?

Then, with us, we will get a NEW body, but I suppose that is where we differ from Jesus – we were not sons as Jesus was with a body previously… All that gets a little sketchy. But I’m sure there are some good things in all that.

Who among God’s people is being given the good things we are? We should be SO thankful John.

Talk to you soon,
Gary
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Pastor John,

It felt very good reading this section of the Father and Son book. I felt blessed reading through it. Good!!!
I liked the footnote on page 4 with the word since instead of if.
Also the part where you wrote about how much of what humans think is impossible is the norm in heaven.

Are you going to have in the next section about when Abraham was going to sacrifice Issac, how it would have made God jealous?
I still marvel at that sight, how confident Abraham was in knowing without a shadow of doubt that God told him to do that. Then, how he made no excuses for what he heard, and what he wanted for himself, being the father of that young boy.

Thanks!!!
Paul
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We just finished reading it, and again…wonderful! Thank you 🙂

There was one more thing I saw in the paragraph halfway through that begins with “As miraculous as…”, half through that paragraph there is an “and” that I don’t think should be there…the sentence, “and contrary to Church mythology, AND the pre-baptism Jesus”.

Leah
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Thanks, Leah. Every correction like that is valuable.
jdc
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Hey Pastor John,

I like this paragraph that you added:

Abraham was willing to obey God and offer up his son Isaac, but Abraham was not making a sacrifice for sin. He didn’t know why God commanded him to sacrifice Isaac; he just knew that God told him to do it. Only after God’s angel stopped him from killing his son did Abraham learn that it was just a test of his faith…”

When I read it what I thought was, not only was God willing to give up His son as a sacrifice for our sins but His sacrifice was willing to be given up!

Not so sure Isaac would have willingly died as “his” father’s sacrifice just because God required it as a test of Abraham’s faith. That would have also been a test of Isaac’s faith!!

Gary’s song “Ask of Me” comes to mind… [Jesus talking] “I didn’t have to wonder what I’d say or do. I knew I’d ask my Father for you.”

This is soooo good! Thank you for sending this for us to read. I love it more and more!

Amy F
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Pastor John,

This was good reading tonight.

I believe the verses on page 5 about the demons cried out (Mk 3:19; Lk 4:29) aren’t the right one’s- maybe it could be Matthew 8:29? Also the Hannah reference of (2Sam 1:1-2; 2:7) on page 6 I believe should be referencing different scriptures.

Thank you for sending this- have a goodnight!

Rebekah Embry
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Thank you, Rebekah! I will check them out.
jdc
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Hi Pastor John

If there were typos in what we read tonight for Chapter 6 we missed them because the reading was so good that we completely forgot to look for them.

In the section “A Man In Appearance” we love the part where you describe how the Son of God made his appearance as a man, not as an infant in a manger, and certainly not as an embryo in Mary’s womb. That section is sooo clear and easy to understand! Don’t change it!!! In the section on “The Virgin Birth” we were so glad Gary asked the question of why did it have to be a virgin birth and God gave you the answer. We doubt that anyone else knows and understands this. Now God is making a way for others to understand. These were just a couple of sections that stood out to us. Everything we read tonight from Chapter 6 was very good to us.

We are praying that God continues to give you what is needed to finish the book.

Love you,

Randell and Doris
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Hey there,

The reading was so good. Joel and I read it together as we waited on Rob to come in from the airport (he had already read it on the plane!), and it was the sweetest feeling spending time together reading this chapter. Thank you for all your work and effort. it is a beautiful story of God and his love for us. I especially liked the part towards the end about the sacrifice being God’s own son. When I asked Joel what stood out to him, he brought that section up, also.

Hope to see more of your writing soon, and I hope you and Barbara are having a very good trip.

Donna

Here are a couple of corrections/comments:
1) In the paragraph which starts “As miraculous as Jesus’ birth had been . . .” there is an extra word in the fourth line after the word “mythology”.
2) page 6: just before the Mark 14:32-39 scriptures…”to do it to him” seemed a little vague. Is there a way to make it clearer?
3) The last paragraph didn’t seem to flow or end the section somehow.
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Thanks, Donna. I will look at all that.
jdc
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I like the last 2 sections much better tonight. The Owner, Willingly had a much better flow of thought 🙂 Michelle & I took turns reading together. It was sweet– Thanks for sending out.

I did have one comment, on pg3 in the 2nd paragraph from the bottom….
No halo encircled his head; his hometown was insignificant; his parents were nobodies; and contrary to Church mythology, and the pre-baptism Jesus performed no miracles and had no special knowledge of God, though he certainly loved Him, even as a child.

Okay.

Amanda
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Yes, it seems that a bunch of people caught that mistake. Thanks for the feedback! It helps.
jdc
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John, this Chapter 6 is so good. I will have to read it two or three times. On page 7, had to stop and take in the feeling at the beginning of that page. Just feel thankful to hear these words of life. The Lamb which God sacrificed for the world BELONGED TO HIM!

Junior E
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We really enjoyed reading Chapter 6 tonight at our house. It was great to see Jonathan starting to have glimpses of God’s Son and Mary’s son coming together at the Jordan River to make the new man:) It felt so good reading and stopping and looking up scriptures and discussing what you had written. We took our time, and it was wonderful! So thankful you sent this out for us all. And we loved the pictures of the sunrise and sunset.

G’nite 🙂
Bess
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Those new sections in chapter 6 are really good.

Julie P
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Just got through reading! We are so blessed to know what we know !
Jammie C
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That’s beautiful! We just finished reading chapter 6, Part 1… Good good feelings about God’s sacrifice… Really like the new sections!
By the way I noticed the translation you ended up going with for Psalm 113:9. Did you not want to translate that a little differently?

Aaron
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We can change the words a little, but the meaning that comes through as it is will not change. I will probably keep what we have now, but I will look at it again. Thanks.

jdc

Hi John,
Suzi and I read chapter 6 with a few folks at Gary’s house. Each paragraph has so many things to think about it is hard to absorb in one setting. I re-read it again this morning.

I think this section is clear and understandable. We did not see many typos other than the few already mentioned. Here are a few things that really stood out to me.

I liked the way you described the scene of Jesus at the River Jordan on page 3 and how John must have been deeply impressed when he heard the Voice of God speaking about His beloved son. What John saw was Mary’s son. One can only imagine what was going on in John’s mind when he heard God’s voice.

Another part that really stood out to me is the section on page 7 which describes why God had to sacrifice his son. I don’t think I will ever read this scripture the same again: “Behold! The Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world!”

Or, “Behold! God’s Lamb that takes away the sins of the world!” Whew!

One of my favorite sections is the Virgin Birth. This thought is just too good to keep to ourselves: “The birth of Mary’s son in Bethlehem was a glorious event, but the coming of God’s son was more glorious. … it is unwise to esteem that holy event (Jesus’ birth) more than the holier event of the coming of God’s hidden son”.

Thanks John for all your work and sending this out. We are looking forward to the next section.

Tom

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Pastor John,

The reading that you sent last night seems so much easier to comprehend. Your description in the section “a Man in Appearance” makes it easy to understand. Of course, I have my questions about the blending of the Son of God with the son of Mary, like what happened to the son of Mary’s mind that he had had all his life, like his preferences, his likes, his dislikes, his feelings. Was it that he suddenly only wanted to do the will of the Father because the Son of God took over his mind? I don’t know if the way I’m asking that makes sense.

Also, in the first paragraph at the top of Pg. 2, I like the comparison you made between the Son of God coming into the son of Mary’s body and becoming one and the holy Ghost coming into Jesus’ followers on the day of Pentecost. However, the remainder of that paragraph and the corresponding verses talk about the Gentiles that made up that new nation and how no one expected God to fill them, but I think it sort of veers away from the topic of Jesus blending with the son of Mary. Just a thought.

Thank you!

Anna
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Thanks. I will look at that again.

btw, Bess particularly liked that part. It’s funny how often that happens.

As for what happened to Jesus’ mind, etc., after God’s Son blended with him at the Jordan River, we may have to wait and ask him when we see him. But you could start by asking yourself, “What happened to my mind when I became a new creature?”

jdc
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The very first paragraph was so good. I had often wondered what
happened to Jesus, the Son of Mary. Love how God took care of the Son
he had in the beginning, and Jesus of Nazareth. Something about that
paragraph is very special.

Page 2, like whole page and how you brought out the differences in “a
Son of God” and “the Son of God”.

“These new creatures were like the Son after he came to earth, having
earthly bodies filled with God’s kind of life.”

Page 4, after quoting Matthew 4 and Luke 4: “Until this moment in
biblical history, no human, not even men and women of great faith,
were called “sons of God”;

I had wondered too if God had other humans referred to as “son”, so
that sentence was especially relevant.

Another favorite section was The Virgin Birth, the whole paragraph but
especially this: “…the Son of God made his advent into the world at
Jesus’ baptism, in the form of a dove, not as an infant lying in a
manger.”

Page 7, talking about how God had to be the actual Father of the one
He would sacrifice; I was reminded and thankful of having been taught
the Old Testament, otherwise I would not have known what was being
talked about. Knowing the OT is so valuable.

The whole chapter was so good, I highlighted so many sentences that
just stood out. All of this information is wonderful, and so totally
“backwards” from what I heard growing up.

Debbie T
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Hi John,

I really love how you are putting together each chapter and section of the book. I know it has been a lot of hard work and reworking of each chapter and section. But each time we read it, the flow and the content gets smoother and clearer then ever. I really believe that when this gets published and available for God’s people to read, there will be no denying what God did with his Son. It will be one of those books that just leave you speechless and in awe of what you just read.

We have had the honor and privilege of learning what has happened with God’s Son all along the way, as he has reveled it to you and us. But someone who picks it up for the first time … “Wow!” I hope we get to see and feel the wonderful feelings and thoughts they may have after they read it, if God opens their eyes to see it.

In chapter 6, section 1, I liked the part “God’s Lamb, not Joseph’s”, and how you showed that the lamb had to belong to the person who was sacrificing it. To me, it really explained how important the virgin birth was, and why this really is a story about God. Thank God, he has chosen us at this time to be a part of such a wonderful revelation that he wants to be revealed to his children!

Thank you, John and everyone who has helped.

Stuart

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Hey Pastor John,

Thank you for letting me read [the first section of Chapter 6 in the Father and Son book]. I felt excitement while reading. I was excited that there is a Son. It made me want to stop and tell everyone.

I felt renewed by reading how God followed the rules of sacrifice, His rules, for our sake only, not His.

The one who owed the least, paid the most. It’s something. It seems that always accompanies a right heart.

The two verses that you quoted, both referring to the Messiah as the Son of God, as opposed to the verses that mention a son of God. . . . Those verses, the meaning of those verses, the heart and the intent of those verses expressed a deep love, a sincere esteem and honor for the One that they were spoken about. Those verses felt sweet to recite. I felt like those people were in love with The Messiah that they spoke of – even the Pharisee who had no idea that he was speaking to Him.

Thank you for sending it.

JERRY

http://pastorjohnshouse.com/books/tithesandofferings.html

John,

Here is what I call The Comment of the day, from a man ordering the tithes and offerings book at pastor John’s house:

“My minister said if we didn’t tithe, we weren’t saved. I do tithe, but not always 10%.”

God’s people NEED this book, and oh, so much more.

Let us get truth to them Jesus!

Gary
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Oh, Gary! God’s people are so confused and full of Christianity’s poison, they can hardly even make a truthful statement when they try to speak of the things of God. I know God’s heart breaks for them! My prayer is to feel the grief He feels so that we can love His people the way he loves them.

jdc

Pastor John’s House Teaching Materials and Music Store

 

Hey Pastor John,
I just wanted to tell you my favorite song.
It is The Way of Grace, I don’t know what it is
about it, but it is so nice to listen to. Thanks for
writing it.
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Love,
Jonathan

P.S. I also love the way it sounds with the guitar
and all the vocals. Thanks.
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Thank you, Jonathan.

If you use your ears for taking in good things, the good things that Jesus has put inside of you will be strengthened and grow. And that will make your parents and all of us very, very happy. Keep it up!

Pastor John