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  • The Son learning

    John,

    Did the Son of God know all the good and evil that was going on in heaven while he was still there, before he came to earth?  I am particularly thinking about during the time of Job. 

    Jimmy T
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    When did the Father let the Son know anything?   We can’t say, but we do know that while he was on earth, the Son went through a process of learning (Heb. 5).   So, why couldn’t he have gone through a process of learning while he was still in heaven?  I am certain that he did, but as for when the Son learned any particular thing, no one can say.

    jdc

  • Vince’s Conversation with His Cousin

    Good morning John,

    I recently had a brief conversation on Facebook with my cousin, Steve, about comments he had made on a couple of my Facebook posts. The first one was on a photo album I posted as “My family” from our Photos of the Day. He commented, “Where are the rest of them?” to which I responded, “Good question, Steve, I would love to see them in these pictures with us.” The next one was on my post of the Father and Son music CD link, with the lyrics to Darren’s song, “What About Me?” To this he commented, “think your kids are saying the same thing?”

    So, I sent Steve a private message asking him what he meant by that. He responded by telling me he couldn’t understand how someone could leave their family and those that love him, and that he’s frustrated by my Mom and how much she misses me. I responded again by letting him know that what he has been hearing is not true. He never replied, but instead unfriended me from his Facebook friends.

    I emailed my Mom yesterday to let her know about this conversation and how I felt about it. Below is my email to her and the Facebook conversation with my cousin. I haven’t heard anything back from my Mom yet.
    Vince

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    Mom,
    I had a text conversation on Facebook recently with Steve that I found very troubling. I asked him about some strange comments he was making on my Facebook page regarding my kids, and I could hardly believe what I found out you were saying about me. In the same breath he mentioned me “leaving my family” and that he “gets frustrated because your Mom misses you too”.
    I would like to know, why you are telling Steve, and probably whoever else you come in contact with, that I have “left my family”? That is a downright LIE, and you know it. This kind of talk, along with the many other rotten things that you have said and done toward me and my wife Amy in the last year, are the very reasons why you do not see me anymore.
    After our conversation, Steve then did a very strange thing after this conversation. After accusing me of “leaving my family”, and then hearing the truth of the matter, he never even responded, but instead removed me as a friend on his Facebook account!
    Here is the conversation:

    Me:
    Hi Steve,
    I noticed your comments on a couple of my recent posts. Most recently: “think your kids are saying the same thing?”
    What exactly did you mean by that?
    Whatever you have been told about the situation between my kids and me, I don’t think it belongs in a public forum. Why would you not come to me directly if you have questions or comments like this? It sounds like you may be hearing some things that are simply not true, and I would be happy to respond to them.
    Thanks,
    Vince

    Steve:
    I just get confused, do not understand why one would leave their family and those that love him. Ive done kind of the same thing and go to AA for the last 11 years. i get frustrated cause your mom also misses you! ill stop being a goof and will be nice:) we all have to do what makes us ok with who we are. i sometimes forget that i hurt alot of people when doing this.

    Me:
    Where in the world did you get the idea that I left my family?! My ex-wife had me dumped in the street with little more than the shirt on my back, after having snuck behind my back to get the support of a psychotherapist to rob my children from me and turn them against me (a psychotherapist who, by the way, had never even met or spoken to me before she drafted an official court document stating that I should not be allowed around my children). Over the last 3 years, I have bent over backwards to try and get my kids to spend time with me – I have even gone so far as to offer to pay my son to spend time with me rather than spending hours upon hours with a psychotherapist. He refused the offer. Both of my kids have always had an open door to be with me – and I have encouraged them to – but they have utterly refused, saying they don’t want to have anything to do with me. So to say that I left them is ludicrous. They FORCED me out.As for my Mom, my wife Amy and I wanted nothing more than to have a good relationship with her – to help her and spend time with her – and this is still what we would like, if my Mom were to stop acting ugly toward us. But she has treated us – especially my new wife – very badly, and has said and done some really awful things toward us – not the least of which is, apparently, slandering me to ones like you, saying, falsely, that I “left my family”. And she has made no apologies for her behavior, neither has she stopped saying these kinds of things, even after I confronted her about it numerous times.
    There is, of course, much more to the story, but I think you get the idea of what really has happened. If you have any questions or concerns in the future, I would appreciate it if you contacted me directly. This is all I have expected from anyone who has been hearing the lies that have been told about me.
    Take care Steve,
    Vince
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    Welcome to the club, Vince. Until Jesus’ relatives were delivered from the influence of slander and their own opinions, they thought he was insane too (Mk. 3), and probably spoke much evil about him. We know that the ministers of Jesus’ time told people that he was demon-possessed, and said other cruel things to and about him (from Mark 3):

    20. And the multitude came together again, so that they could not even eat bread.
    21. And when [Jesus’] kinsmen heard of it, they came out to take him, for they were saying, “He’s lost his mind.”
    22. And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul” and “He casts out demons by the prince of demons.”

    In the Sermon on the Mount, in Matthew 5, Jesus told us that for us to be slandered is one evidence that we are on the right track with God:

    ¶10. Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    ¶11. Blessed are you whenever people revile and persecute you, and say every evil thing against you falsely, for my sake.12. Rejoice, and be glad! Your reward is great in heaven, for that is how they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    As you know, certain family members of mine have done the same sort of things to me (and to this precious body of believers with me), as you have had done to you. They have spread awful lies about me in public that have damaged my reputation and hurt many innocent children of God, dear saints whom they do not know. But, Vince, always remember that being persecuted is just part of the process of growing in grace. As Paul said, “If we suffer with him, we will reign with him.”

    My father taught me (and, I assume, the rest his children) that if we persecute someone, that person is farther along in Christ than we are; the lesson being, we should not persecute anyone if we hope to grow in Christ. We do not want to be the kind of people who strike back when harmed, or ever to speak evil of others, especially in a public forum. Paul pointed out to the saints in Corinth that it is a great evil for any child of God to go to the world with a complaint against another child of God. That is a sin which brings dishonor to the precious name of Jesus. As for my mother, she taught me (and, I assume, the rest of her children) that it is wrong for a child of God to go to the world and speak evil of another one of God’s children. “God’s children should keep their criticisms to themselves and settle their conflicts among themselves,” she told me when I was young in the Lord. Thankfully, Jesus has helped me remember that wise counsel.

    You, and I, and others in Christ who have suffered abuse at the hands of others, can gladly and humbly endure the pain of being misunderstood and slandered, and pray sincerely for the ones who are guilty, so long as we keep in mind what Paul (who also was abused and slandered) wrote: “I deem the present sufferings unworthy of comparison with the glory which will be revealed in us.” Let’s live in that hope!

    Your real Father (God) and your real mother (the body of Christ) love you, Vince, and speak very highly of you all the time.

    Pastor John

  • Satan / Last Night

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    Hi Pastor John,

    After watching the pomp, form, rites, and ceremonies of the new Pope being set in his kingdom, I had a thought that all Satan wants is to be seen. Satan”s kingdom is a kingdom to be heard and seen but without any power to get a person ready to meet God in peace. All of his daughters in Christianity perform the same way as their father does. I believe that Uncle Joe once said that the Christians who don’t have much money can’t be as wrong as the Catholics, no matter how hard they try. And you said after that, “It takes a lot of money to be a good Christian (because it takes a lot of money to be good at any ceremonial religion).” I was so sad watching the multitudes in Rome pouring their hearts out to a man that cannot save them. I can only imagine what Satan was thinking. Satan’s kingdom is only a kingdom of the exterior (flesh) but God’s Kingdom is always like Darren’s song says, “A Matter Of The Heart”.

    I was so fragile when you first came into my life that only God, through you, knew how to reach the inner most chambers of my heart and perform a spiritual surgery that rescued my life. The surgery in 2009 on my kidney saved only my flesh, and valuable lessons were learned, but the surgery of Christ in 2001 saved my soul.

    Reading these chapters from the Father and the Son book have been so wonderful. I remember that you came to KY sometime after that blessed weekend at the beach to read the same chapter to us that you began reading last night. I believe it was a Thursday night, on October 8th; I had just had my surgery the Friday before on October 2nd. Richard came to KY, too, and wanted to hear, and especially to feel, what this chapter had to say, and be touched like Rob (and others) were touched by the power of God at the beach. It was such a blessing to see Richard on Justin TV last night, listening to maybe some of the same words (maybe a little different) as he did on that night. Look at the life God has given him (us), because he (us) wanted the holy things of God!

    I could go on but what such sweet feelings and peace I felt reading along. It is an honor to hear such words.

    Billy.

  • The Third Person of the Trinity

    Hi John,

    Amy and I were talking tonight about some of the events surrounding the whole charade with today’s election of the Catholic pope, and I kept having this question: How is it that Christians can speak of the pope as being the “vicar of Christ”, when the Bible plainly teaches that it is the holy Spirit that is Christ’s vicar here on earth? As we were talking about this, Amy mentioned seeing a little girl on the TV news who was asked, “Who do you think the Pope is?”, to which she responded, “He’s the holy Spirit, in person.” As soon as I heard this, I felt like the Spirit impressed on me exactly what that means: the Pope is the visual representative of Christianity’s “third person of the Trinity” – that is, Satan. So then, it follows that the Pope is associated with being the vicar of Christ – Christianity’s “holy spirit” (to those who believe God’s Spirit is a person). How a conclave of Catholic bishops can be “led by the holy spirit” (as they say) to decide on a new pope somehow means that God puts anything up for a vote, is beyond me, however!

    Wow, Satan really has taken for himself a “throne” in the hearts of over a billion people (1.2 billion Catholics are on earth today, reports say), and you could see it happening today as people crowded around to catch a glimpse of and worship Christ’s new “vicar”. All I could think of tonight after we talked about these things were the words to Darren’s song: “What About Me?” I am very thankful tonight that God has allowed us to see these things for what they are, and to be “lifted up above the shadows” tonight by the real holy Spirit of God. It felt really good. Praise God for His vicar! 🙂

    Vince

  • The Pope and my experience today

    Hey there,

    I wanted to tell you about an experience I had today. I was watching tv after lunch and there was a special news break stating that a new Pope had been elected. I thought I would watch this because I have never watched what happens when they elect a Pope. So, I watched. I listened as the commentator broke down and cried in the background as they announced who the new Pope would be. I also watched the crowd’s anticipation and emotions. One commentator said, as he looked out over the crowd, that there were many groups from many nations holding the flags of their country for this “universal religion”. Then, the Pope came out and addressed everyone. He “appeared” very humble and asked prayer for himself from the people. When he asked them to pray, the whole crowd (hundreds of thousands or more) became very quiet and prayed. I heard statements like “If he governs as well as he spoke today, we are in for a treat”; “He is simple. He cooks for himself, and walks among the poor. He doesn’t live in luxury as he could. He is just like Jesus”; “This is a call to bring people back to the church and clear our past scandals”, etc.

    As I watched the events of the day, it was so pitiful. I heard one interview with a little girl about 7 or so, who had the biggest smile on her face when they asked her who the Pope was. Her answer, “It’s the holy Spirit in person.” Then, I watched as they prepared for the Pope to come out with fabrics, curtains, lights, guards, and then robed him with fancy garments, and all the people (thousands) hanging on to every word and cheering and crying. I just couldn’t watch anymore. I got up and walked into the kitchen. I said, “I’m sorry Jesus.” When I said that, the Spirit fell on me and went all through my body! Questions started flowing out of my mouth, the first one being, “Who is the King of glory?” Then others: “Who has authority and power and dominion?” “Who is the Lord?” and, “Who is going to rule a thousand years?” and there were others. Every answer – JESUS! I threw my hands up and began praising the Son. It felt so good. Then, I went and did laundry. That was great! And so very very simple.

    I have prayed today for the people I saw worshipping this man, and I have prayed for us too, that we can stand the spiritual battles ahead. This is God’s plan. And no matter what is to come, with the feelings that Jesus gives, we will be victorious in the end! And, we can “shake the dust off our feet” and move forward.

  • Paul’s conversion

    Good morning John!

    I just want to share one little thing. . .

    I am so happy for some of the ways that Jesus has opened my eyes and my heart.

    On Facebook, there’s an acquaintance of mine who has a friend (female) who is a sister in the Lord, but has become very religious, attending a seminary to be a preacher/evangelist. She is in her early thirties, I think. I’ve watched her videos, and one of the things she spoke about was Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus.

    I thought, “Wow! I thank God (and my pastor), for showing me the truth about that incident: Saul was NOT converted on the road to Damascus, but was merely convicted…. and later converted and baptized by Ananias on Straight Street! He didn’t receive holy Spirit until that anointed man came to Paul and laid hands on him.”

    The truth makes all the difference in the world. It reveals the errors of Christianity. It allows us to see clearly and deeply, the wisdom of God; and helps us to recognize misinformation and misinterpretation, while distinguishing the truth.

    Just a small thing, perhaps, but it makes me happy! I value the understanding that the Lord has shown, and that which He continues to reveal.

    Brad

  • “Reconcile​d”

    http://www.goingtojesus.com/site/php/thoughts.php?tname=tfm03-06

    Hey, Pastor John:

    I was really touched this week by the Thought for the Morning named “Reconciled“, and the responses from Rob and Amy B. Now, we are coming upon the time where everyone is celebrating the Christian holiday, Easter and Christ’s resurrection, but most, if not all denominations (divisions), are trying to be reconciled to God by their own power, which is nothing more than the flesh, without the power of the holy Ghost.

    After reading the TFM and the responses, I looked at the pictures of us and marveled at ihow God has brought us together by His power; it is no small thing.

    Since my early childhood, once I could do basic addition, I thought I was an accident and merely a product of lust and not really wanted by my parents. I knew they loved me, but in the back of my mind, I felt that I was a burden. But on a Friday night while you were visiting us in Louisville in the late 90’s, we were sitting around a patio table outside on the porch and we saw Paul and Jammie walk up the street on a Summer’s evening. when you started talking about predestination and the relationship between God and us. I started feeling so wonderful, and for the first time in my life I understood that I was no accident and that I was with God before the worlds were created and handpicked to be on this earth at this moment in time. (Whew, the song just started playing in the background from Songs of Rest by Donna, “This Is Where I Always Wanted To Be.” My!)

    I remember in the meeting that night how light and free I felt, and rejoicing that I was created to be here — it is my best chance to be reconciled back to God — back to where I came from.

    I was driving and looking at the road in front of me and had a thought, “Jesus, you’re going to reconcile us all the way to the Glassy Sea — all we have to do is stay on the road that you put us on, and live.” It really touched me reading that TFM and it brought back some wonderful feelings.

    Love always,
    Billy

    PS: Thank you!

  • Good feelings with Uncle Joe

    Hey Pastor John!

    I’m typing some of Uncle Joe’s messages and really love it. There is such sweet feelings and much comfort in the what Uncle Joe wrote. Most of these were written in 1962. How great is that! He was having these feelings before I was even born. They were good then and even better now! Alot of comfort in these that pass the test of time. Still standing!
    This today really touched me:
    There is not a thing that we should be disturbed about when we have our confidence in God.
    Amen!
    Michelle

  • get saved

    http://www.goingtojesus.com/topic_baptism.html?tname=tft03-05

    Pastor John,

    Beth and I, last night, were reading the TFT, “The 7 lies that the children of God believe”. You spoke about the “getting saved” doctrine, among many other things.

    We talked about that and where those contrary doctrines, such as the “get saved” idea, came from and who would desire it and what it accomplishes.

    We came to the conclusion that, since you have to live right to be saved …and the bible is so adamant about that… And since satan can’t give you the holy Ghost, which is the power so you can live right- so that you can be saved…..he just changed the doctrine.

    He’ll just promise to save you now, so that you don’t get scared of the fact that you can’t live a righteous life, and then leave him to go look for help.

    It made sense last night. Just thought I’d tell you what we were doing.

    Have good day.

    Jerry

  • RE “Pearls of Wisdom” – February 28, 2013

    John,

    I read the “Pearl” below, and had this question: How would a person sum up, in a few words, the definition of being “too religious”?

    Wendell

    Pearl 022813

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    Hi Wendell.

    Any person who is religious at all, without the holy Ghost leading him, is too religious. It is important that we consider this, for Solomon said that we could destroy ourselves by being over religious (Eccl. 7:16). So, we should make every effort to be certain that we are led by the Spirit in every religious activity, choice, and thought. Our soul depends upon it. Paul said that God considers only those “who are led by the Spirit” to be His children (Rom. 8:14). To worship or to try to serve God without being led by the Spirit can lead one to be an enemy of God, like young Paul and many others like him who did great harm to God’s children while “thinking to do God a service” (Jn. 16:2).

    The Spirit alone enables us to know God so that we can serve Him in a way that is acceptable to Him. All other religious activity on earth, and it is a massive amount, “is as filthy rags” in His sight (Isa. 64:6).

    Pastor John

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    So well said, John. 

    I made so many errors, as a man seeking God, before I had been baptized with holy spirit.  I was too religious to my daughter, and to many others, and that dampened my relationships with them.  I pressed too hard–in the flesh–to be holy, when I wasn’t holy, yet.   I took religious things too seriously—in the flesh—and my attitude hardened  the hearts of those I wish I could have brought along for the ride.   BUT—then after I did receive the spirit, the persecution got even worse, but for a different reason.  Those who had tolerated my religiosity now were exposed by the light—by the truth that I proclaimed—and it proved to be too much for them to bear, and they rejected me altogether. . . all the while blaming me for changing; for being changed.
     
    Brad

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