{"id":5758,"date":"2015-04-08T13:25:49","date_gmt":"2015-04-08T13:25:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pjhmail.wordpress.com\/?p=5758"},"modified":"2015-04-08T13:25:49","modified_gmt":"2015-04-08T13:25:49","slug":"criticism-from-trinitarians","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/5758\/criticism-from-trinitarians\/","title":{"rendered":"Criticism from Trinitarians"},"content":{"rendered":"

Pastor John,<\/span><\/p>\n

There has been a lot of talk of brother Z\u200b—\u200b, saying that he is twisting scriptures to come up with his own doctrine. \u200b \u200bCould someone please explain which scripture has been twisted by Z— to mean something other than what it says?\u00a0 In doing so, please help me to understand how \u200b(\u200bif the 3-in-1, 1-in-3 trinity doctrine you speak of is true\u200b)\u200b 1\/3 of God is the only-begotten of another 1\/3 of himself (e.g. Jn. 1:14); or that 1\/3 of God was daily the delight of one of the other thirds, always rejoicing in the other thirds\u2019 presence (Prov. 8:30); or that 1\/3 of God sent another 1\/3 of himself to earth (1Jn. 4:9); or that 1\/3 of God prayed to the other 1\/3 of himself (Mat. 26:39); or that 1\/3 of God said that he was greater than one of the other thirds (Jn. 14:28); or that 1\/3 of God said not to call his third of himself good, but only to call the other third good (Mat. 19:17); that the honor of 1\/3 of God is nothing, but that another 1\/3 of God honors that other third (Jn. 8:54); that 1\/3 of God said that no man can come to the other 1\/3 of himself, but through his own 1\/3 of himself (Jn. 14:6); that 1\/3 of God gave another 1\/3 of himself the cup to drink (Jn. 18:11); that 1\/3 of God ascended to the other 1\/3 or 2\/3 of himself (Jn. 20:17); that 1\/3 of God is now sitting at the right hand of one of the other thirds (Hb. 10:12); that 1\/3 of God makes intercession to one or both of the other thirds for us (Rm. 8:34).\u00a0 (Whew! What a mind-bender!)<\/span><\/p>\n

If Jesus is 1\/3 of a whole, but equal to each other part of that whole, how are we ever to be like Jesus?\u00a0 How is he our example unless we can somehow fit into that fraction?\u00a0 It seems to me you would have to work really hard, and put scripture verses together in just a certain way to come up with such a doctrine.\u00a0 But maybe someone can explain it to me without twisting any scriptures.\u00a0 Where does the Bible plainly state that the Father, His Son Jesus, and the holy Spirit they share are actually three persons in one (in the same, plain way that Jesus said he was the \u201cfirst of the creation of God\u201d (Rev. 3:14), or that the Father is greater than he (Jn. 14:28))?<\/span><\/p>\n

Seems much more reasonable just to read and believe what is actually in the Bible (without any twisting).\u00a0 That is, that God is the Father of all creation, He created a Son to love before He created anyone or anything else in heaven or earth (which, I believe, God the Father is perfectly able to do), and that the Father shares His life \u2013 His Spirit \u2013 with His Son, just as He now shares His life with those who obey Him and receive His baptism of life (the holy Spirit).\u200b<\/span><\/p>\n

Vince<\/span><\/p>\n

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Hi Vince.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Trinitarians themselves admit that they cannot answer such questions as yours, Vince.\u00a0 They can only do as they have been told to do by their ministers.\u00a0\u00a0 And when they condemn us who do not accept the\u200bir\u200b strange, unbiblical doctrine of a Holy Trinity\u200b, they think\u200b they are “do\u200bing\u200b God service”.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Keep praying for them, Vince, that \u200bGod \u200bwill get through to them and \u200b\u200bshow them\u200b how to serve Him “in spirit and in truth”.\u00a0 And \u200bmay He help \u200bus\u200b to do the same, always.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Pastor John<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Great questions Vince!\u00a0 Your letter ought to be a tract or something:\u00a0 “30 Reasons Why I Cannot Believe Christianity’s Trinitarian Doctrine.”<\/span><\/p>\n

Gary<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Pastor John, There has been a lot of talk of brother Z\u200b—\u200b, saying that he is twisting scriptures to come up with his own doctrine. \u200b \u200bCould someone please explain which scripture has been twisted by Z— to mean something other than what it says?\u00a0 In doing so, please help me to understand how \u200b(\u200bif […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5758","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-netmail"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5758"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5758"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5758\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5758"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5758"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pastorjohnshouse.com\/mailbag\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5758"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}